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Fistandantilus


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LMAO, now this has been a heated descussion before, who does more dmg, a alch or a wizzy? now you can list your facts before CB or after but i wanna know why you think a (if you choose to say this lol) ALC can out dmg a wizard.


i know a alc cannot out DD a wiz, its not possible, iwe do 1k+++ a blast with a one sec recast with a sec or two cast, comon theres no ****ing way lol, sure ill be the first to say it a alc can do some nasty dmg but no way close to a wizzys dmg lol. ill just cast nova than wait a min for you to catch up lol(wish i was 60 with supernova) my nova was doing before CB a good 3000+ now most wizzys hit 2k on just regualr nukes?? lol comon my nova has to be a good 4K+ now(maybe i over did the dmg but you understand im im trying to say right)


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we need sum alchys to post here because i dont have a high lvl alchy yet

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yes we do lol, but what do you think? have you played a alc before? i have.


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I have played both but my alc is just a baby compared to wizzy.I must say that my wizard can hit pretty hard and the alch solos well due to the speed of her kills.I guess I will have to wait til I level the alch to really have a fair opinion

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but in general, you basicly agree with me a ALC cannot out DD a wizzy pre CB or CB right?

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As far as playing what I have and my alch is a baby I dont know I find it hard to believe a alch could outdo a wizzy.

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i think alchy AoEs are better and if built rite they can out dd a wizzy. I was at gobs the other day and the 60 alch pulled aggro b4 the 60 wizzy when we told them to go all out

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no way, did the 60wiz use his/her super nova? thats a automatic aggro pull right there. and there could be a nother facter there, who hit first? because of course the first person to hit will keep aggro if there unloading. and there could be yet another facter, was the wizzy that was unloading a clash path wizzy? lol if so and he used his/her paths, they are a NO aggro dmg nuke so if he used that, and the alc did a nuke/pot, the mob will go straight for the alc.

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i dont remember it was a long time ago b4 updates. But i kno an alchy can have just as good dmg as wizzy if built rite and they can prolly keep their dmg rolling just as long if not longer.

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I heard POT is bad for alchs is that true?i really don't know it being my first

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yeah they can have real good dmg, but a Alcs pots hit for a max of 1k- no higher that i no of so far i heard from alot of 60alcs that there pots do 800ish. and there nukes has to be roughly the same. so given this, at 40 a wiz can nuke 1k plus, the only thing thats diff is a alc is alot faster when throwing there pots there like a sec long with a instant recst. so lets go 5sec, alc does 3600 (3600is 800dmg a throw, 5k if 1k dmg a throw)dmg roughly, now lets go with a 60 wiz doing lets say 1500 a blast no nova(and 1500 is low now that hear for a wizzy to do lol), 7500 roughly if all his nukes are a sec cast each which more than all are. and this probaly isnt themost accurate i agree but its something to look at. not the recast, mostly all wizzys recast are 2sec++ so in the long run a alc 'might' out dmg a wiz but no way in instant dmg.



and yeah PoT is bad for alcs, it messes up there draught or something lol, so is alot of power, youll want to have the least power as you possible can.
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yea the only thing that helps a alchy compare is their fast recast. plus they can take hits better because of the heavier armor they can wear.

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dont alcs wear the same thing a wizzy does? mine did, robe and what not. but yeah a alc may have more hp than a wizzy jsut because they only have to work on two things, sta wis or sta dex lol. and they can use there pills and **** lol


while a wiz has to bring up dex,int sta. but noone cares about hp lol, where talking about dmg. so now do you agree that a alc cannot out DD a wizzy or no? lol


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i think with balancing you can afford to dedicate more gear on a wiz towards hp.power seems to be less of a problem.


Id say wiz still the best dd



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alchemists are like clerics in the dd world. they can wear heavier armor. but yea id say wizzys are best dmg casters and dds all around. Also a ranger can out dd a rge depending on his build (Asakura whos in KoR now). Who do you think is best dd in the healing world? id say shamans cause we have pet, dots, nukes, and we can be bad ass dds with vessel spirit and ava on.

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Tanks....SK

Healers...Sha


Melees...ran/brd i think there about even nowadays


Caster....the all mighty WIZARD!!! lol


and asa is back? last i heard from him he was comming back in a cpl weeks lol.

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(quote)I'll just put it this way- Alchemists do less dmg but do a LOT of dmg and deal it fast. Wizards do MASSIVE dmg. Alchemists never run oom and if built right got high resists and hp to take hits because aggro will be taken. Alchys to throw potions at stuff and watch it go ((BOOM))!! We don't want to sit and wait for mana or "watch our aggro" like wizards, we just want to kick ass. And even when in a group with a power healer, we do massive dmg just as long as its not a dmg bard (yuck) you just don't want that PoT buff that delays your draughts.

So anyways, if you want to know who deals the higher numbers its wizard. If you want fast groups with FAST dealed dmg and infinite mana, Alchemist. (qoute)

this was said from a Alc-60 on Alla.










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Asa has been back for a couple of weeks now. he plays his rangr and rge in KoR mostly. Not sure wut times he is on tho.

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alright i think we settled the wizzy alch dmg ....unless someone does not agree with me??


now all new thing lol Who does more dmg...Ranger or a Rogue?


i have no grounds to back up what im saying since i really never played these two past 12 and stuff but from friends i think a wound rogue will out dmg a ranger....now this is with no tags just two 60s no tags..what do you guys/gals think?

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man it really depends on the builds of both. Asa is pure dmg and can out dd most rges. But rges are the main melee dds so they shud be doing some awsome dmg at 60.

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